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Redwing and Rook by ianmsquee Redwing and Rook by ianmsquee
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An Explanation Ok, most of you likely know i'm a pretty big Batman fan (nerd *sigh) In order, my favorite characters are: Cassandra Cain, Bruce Wayne, and Tim Drake. (Damian is starting to grow on me...)

I was (like pretty much everyone else) really angry when DC trashed Cassandra's character and the lame recovery attempts have been, well... Lame. I like the original C.C. Batgirl series. It was great! And the interaction between Cass & Tim was also great. (well, i liked it.) then everything went crappy...

Now i've heard DC is planning a come-back of Cass and i'd love to see her teamed up with Tim. Just one little problem for me there. I can't stand the Red Robin Name & outfit... the name is kind of a mouth full. It would be a ridiculous to yell the full name in the middle of a crisis and given the amount he teams up with Dick and Damian lately it gets down right annoying. Also the name feels like he's trying to hang on to something he's grown out of... As for the costume, even in the comic it's been pointed out he looks like some other hero (who the heck is Dr. Midnight??) and in general i'm just not a fan of it.
Sooooooooo...
Here's my Redesigns:
Rook: as in a Crow or Raven (raven is taken, a few times from what i've heard...) i also sort of enjoy the Chess term because a rook is one of your straight forward power pieces. Cass is nothing if not straightforward and let's face it. Tim is a good fighter but in this team-up she's the muscle. I kept the overall look and feel of her old Batgirl outfit. but dropped the full head cowl because 1) i like seeing her face more and 2) she already expressed a lack of concern with keeping her ID all that secret so why not go with the smaller mask. She also has a layered cape. (i just liked the way it looked :) )

Redwing: i wanted to keep some of Tim's key elements and pay a little homage to Nightwing, since Tim is always going to be following in Dick's footsteps. (you'll notice a few differences between the large color & the small turnaround. I can't decide which i like better yet) Obviously the name is a play on Nightwing. I picked up (and toned down) the collar from the original nightwing outfit. (god it was awful) kept the same color scheme as his Red Robin outfit so it's not a huge change. The logo on the larger one is more "batman-ish" and on the smaller one it's more "nightwing-ish" I think i lean towards the big one but which do you guys think is better? And lastly the red "bird-like" face piece on the cowl. (i think it could look pretty cool coming out of the dark at a bad guy... :D )

Anyway, that's enough of a rant from me. I'll post larger versions of the turnaround sketches at some point and i also have them sketched up in the "Animated-Series" style that i think looks pretty good so those will also go up when i get the chance. In the mean time please comment and let me know what you think! :batman:
(Longest comments ever...)
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Leonhearted Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2013
I'd read it
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ianmsquee Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2013
Thanks man! :iconahoyplz:
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glumsugarplum Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
your turnaround sketches are really neat . recently i took up this project to design a character and the turnaround poses. i am struggling with them . wish i could borrow your skills for a day
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ianmsquee Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012
Thanks! :boogie:
that sounds like a really fun project! i guess my only advise (such as it is) is to start really rough... literally scribble out some ideas and then refine them.
Whenever i try to make something "perfect" the first time or sketch out something exactly as i see it in my head i tend to have a lot of trouble. But when i start drawing something really loose then slowly add detail it works much better.
I don't know if that helps at all but i hope it does :hug:
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glumsugarplum Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
you are right... when you try really hard to get something right , it never works. at least with me it doesnt.
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ianmsquee Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2012
hahaha!! well, at least it's not just me that this happens too ;)
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Kerevon Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2010
Frankly? With Rook I like the foreground shot better, with Redwing I prefer the pencil drawings in the background. Something about the foreground shot is just.... off. I think it may be his leg length, and besides the background style is just a wee bit cooler to me. Anyhoo, great costume designs. I like them verah much, yees.
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ianmsquee Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2010
Thanks for the comment :ahoy: glad you like them
you're right the perspective on Redwing is off compared to Rook... (i drew them separately) i'll fix it at some point :D
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gunmetalblue249 Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2010
This is awesome! Cassandra Cain is my favorite character out of the Bat family, and the things they've done with her storyline lately have pissed me off. I'm happy to hear that there's a comeback planned for her--and I hope her new uniform looks as cool as this. The idea of the smaller face mask is great, along with the layered cape--I can imagine it all swooshing around as she kicks people in the face. Repeatedly. :D
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ianmsquee Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2010
hahahaha!! My thoughts exactly! :ahoy: thanks very much for the comment!
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Lisssssyrawr Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2010
Likin' the suits. Niceeee. ;d
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ianmsquee Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2010
:icongrin--plz: Yay! thanks so much!!
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Oktanecrow Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2010
Am I the only one thinking Gatchaman? Guess that happens with a beaked mask and feathered cape...

Absolutely LOVE the emblem on the larger/colour Redwing and the tunic & separate trousers, but prefer the cape and belt from the inset.

If you're keeping to current DC continuity then it makes sense for Tim to fill the Nightwing role and you seem to have a damned good way for that to work, yet let Tim be himself.
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ianmsquee Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2010
hahahaha! yeah, it's hard to avoid the Gatchaman comparison with pretty much any "bird-like outfit. :D

Thanks! glad you like the bigger icon and overall tunic/pants design on the bigger version. I like the belt on the smaller one too. (i just got lazy about adding it to the bigger design)
The cape is actually the same on both it's just hard to see on the larger version

I really appreciate the comments. Thanks Very Much! :ahoy:
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Nasdreks Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2010  Professional General Artist
I too hate 'Red Robin', mostly because there is a hamburger restaurant of the same name (though the costume sucked too). I love Cass's design, and Tim's has a lot going for it. Tim's mask bugs me a bit, I would either make it way smaller, or much more exaggerated like one of those Carnivale masks (think Assassin's Creed)
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ianmsquee Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2010
hahahaha!! Oh god! I forgot about the red robin restaurant (isn't there a cheesy hotel chain too?) that name really needs to go...

Awesome feed back! thanks so much! do you think the mask looks better on the smaller sketch? it's a bit toned down on that one.
Practicality makes me not want to exaggerate the "bird beak" any more than it is on the color version. I feel like it would really get in the way if it got any larger.
Maybe if it was something more stylized? like in this sketch? [link] (but still attached to a cowl, i'm sort of liking the red on black color contrast :) )

Thanks again for the great commentary! :hug:
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Nasdreks Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2010  Professional General Artist
yeah, like that! Except with how it's attached to the cowl, have it so none of his face is visible (including mouth). Then it will have a creepy/scary affect to it like a death hood or something.
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ianmsquee Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2010
Hmmmm! that's an awesome idea! :D do you think that might be too intense for Tim's personality?
Although, in my animated series version i think the open cowl looks cool... i'll have to post it soon so you can judge... ;)
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Nasdreks Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2010  Professional General Artist
From the first couple of issues of Red Robin that I've read, he was pretty darn angsty and ass-kicky. Then again, I'd have to see it finished to have a concrete opinion
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ianmsquee Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010
hahahaha!! yeah, he certainly was... plus everyone thought he was a headcase for thinking Batman was still alive.
Actually given the way people in comics come back to life all the time you'd have to be a headcase to think someone was actually dead... :D
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LilImmiHeapWannabe Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2010
Your design for Rook is actually really nice and I like it. :D Flows naturally... But, I have to be honest? Something about Redwing's body is a little off to me. At least the colored frontline you have. The sketches in the back are pretty damn good, but something about the colored version seems a bit unproportional to me. XD

But I freakin' love how Rook looks. <3 Makes me wanna wear that costume and go be all cool in stuff. ._.

But, yeah. Awesome sketches yet again. <3
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ianmsquee Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2010
Thanks so much Chels! :hug:<3

hahaha!! the thing about Redwing is that he's draw at a slightly different angle then Rook... so the foreshortening makes him look a little odd. I'll try to correct for it at some point... Good eye ;)
Love the feedback! Thanks again!:boogie:
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LilImmiHeapWannabe Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2010
Is it weird that after staring at my own nickname for a little bit, it started to look odd? Chels just looks really strange. Words look really strange. << XD I need to stop being in TOK. @_@ <3 You're welcome.

Pffftt angles. Don't even know why they exist... ;P
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ianmsquee Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2010
yes. yes it is... verrrry weird. but then that's to be expected ;P (goofball)
hahahaha!! :hug:

uhmm, they give us perspective... :roll:
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LilImmiHeapWannabe Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2010
Ohhh you're so mean to me! :]
:cuddle:

Durrr it was sarcasm, my love. ;P
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ianmsquee Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2010
:devilish: heeheeheee...
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reeeeally? is that so? shocking! :roll:
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LilImmiHeapWannabe Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2010
I want a quoozle as a sorry from you!

I know, right?
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ianmsquee Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2010
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that's what you get for demanding quoozles...
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